By uncabral |

When I read, some time ago, that virtually all families with roots in our area of interest are descendants of "Capitanes" Diego Romo de Vivar and Lope Ruis de Esparza, I thought probably that was not my case because at that time I was under the impresion that most of my father's ancestry was from Jerez and Guadalupe (Zacatecas) and my mother's mostly from Guanajuato and as far as I was aware then no Romo nor Ruiz Esparza have come out in my research. Well, I was dead wrong! obviously my research was very weak then, but as years passed and my research skill developed I came to the conclusion that on my father's family with the excepción of the Cabral main line that comes from my father's father and great grand father, on many of my father's mother's side I was overwhelmed when I discovered so many lines that joined those two families, all of them in Rincón de Romos which looks like a cradle. I tend to think that my case is by no means exceptional but mostly very common (am I right?). For instance, on the Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro family, I discovered I am direct descendant of Lorenzo, Martín, María, Salvador and Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro, and to Jacinto I have a couple of lines that merge with him. On the Romo de Vivar family things are quite similar, multiple lines end there in Diego Romo de Vivar. Clearly, most of both names come together multiple times in my family. It is so because my ancestors ("sosa" numbers)18, 19, 21, 23 and also 33 have this multiple lines. When more carefully looking at those two families in the family search trees I see why it is said we all are part of that families at some point: they are prolific. Surely not everybody have discovered the links or maybe have non. But even so, since we all have many other lines in our are, clearly we all are "primos".

Hello Jose,

I too descend Repeatedly from the Ruiz De Esparza and Romo de Vivar, so yes, we are “primos.” My maternal grandfather is a third cousin of Santo Toribio Romo Gonzalez through both the Gonzalez and Romo lines.

Super Bowl champion Coach Tom Flores Is also a primo.
Rick A. Ricci

Interesting Rick, they probably are descendants of Capitán Juan Pedro Romo de Vivar and María de Tiscareño Molina y Ruiz Esparza, which is also one of my Romo lines.
I have also a couple of Flores lines in Aguascalientes since two diferent great grand mothers were Flores..
Regards
Jose J. Cabral

You are right José. I descend from Capitán Juan Pedro Romo de Vivar and María de Tiscareño Molina y Ruiz Esparza through their son Balthazar Romo de Vivar and his wife Cathalina Muñoz de la Barba.

Saludos primo,
Rick

Hello Brenda,
If your mom is related to him, then she is related to my maternal grandfather. Both of Santo Toribio’s parents were close relatives of my maternal grandfather, J. Hermenegildo Romo Franco.

Rick A. Ricci

I too descend repeatedly from Capitán Juan Pedro Romo de Vivar and María Lorena de Tiscareño Molina y Ruiz Esparza, from one side through their son Capitan Nicolas Romo de Vivar y Ruiz de Esparza and also from their daughter Juana Teresa Romo de Vivar Tiscareño de Molina.
6 generations after that, José Canuto Diaz Romo de Vivar who was a descendant of Nicolas married Maria Rafaela Moran Lopez who was a descendant of Juana Teresa. They are my great parents.
An interesting fact I found is that Maria Lorena Tiscareño de Molina y Ruiz was the descendant of Moctezuma II Xocoyotzin through Moctezuma's daugther Mariana Leonor de Moctezuma who married the "conquistador" Cristobal de Valderrama, born in Barcelona.
Todos somos primos
Jorge

Very true! and I think this line that connects Moctezuma to de Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro is not disputed, as far as I know. Very true we all are primos in this area of Mexico!

Another descendant of Romo and Ruiz De Esparza is Singer Vikki Carr. A great grandmother was born in “La Chona” (Encarnacion de Diaz) Jalisco Mexico. She is a distant cousin of mine through our descent from Baltazar Romo de Vivar. She descends from the Romo and Ruiz De Esparza repeatedly. Her great great grandparents were from Lagos de Moreno, San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, Encarnacion de Diaz, Teocaltiche, and Aguascalientes. She also has some ancestors from Zacatecas.

Rick A. Ricci

I have found Ginés de Carrion, born in 1520 in Andalucía, his son Ginés de Carrion, born in 1561 in Seville emigrated to Nueva España and married Francisca de Temillo (or Tremiño), born in Jalisco and had a son: Diego de Carrion Tremiño.
Diego was born in Pinos Zacatecas in 1615, his son Antonio de Carrion was born in Aguascalientes in 1645. Diego had a daughter: Tomassa de Carrion, born 1665 and a granddaughter: Maria Nicolasa de Castañeda Carrion, born in Pinos Zacatecas in 1688 who married Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaén, a descendant of Moctezuma.

Jorge

Three lines of descent from the Basque “Lope Ruiz De Esparza”and “Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma” to “Jessica Alba”

First line:

5.) Lope Ruiz De Esparza(el menor) (1569- 1651) [Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma]. Parent of:
6.) Lorenza Ruiz De Esparza (1601-?) [Cap.Luis Tiscareño De Molina] Parents of
7.) Francisca Tiscareño De Molina (1625 - 1660) [Jose Delgado Diaz]. Parents of:
8.) Luis Delgado Tiscareño (1648 - 1736) [Teresa Lopez Alvarado] Parents of:
9.) Jose Manuel Delgado (1684 - ?) [Margarita Macias Valadez] Parents of:
10.) Ma. Guadalupe Delgado (1722-1778) [Juan Antonio Pedroza]. Parents of:
11.) Jose Marcos Pedroza(1744 - ?) [Juana Ignacia Vasquez]. Parents of
12.) Maria Eufrasia Pedroza (1774 - ? ) [Jose Francisco Esparza]. Parents of:
13.) Jose Francisco Esparza (1769 - ?) [Maria Eufrasia Pedroza]. Parents of:
14.) Ma. Josefa Gpe. Remigia de la Trinidad Esparza (1792 - ) [José Ignacio Mosqueira] Parents of:
15.) Genoveva Mosquera (1834 -1917) [Urbano Rangel] Parents of:
16.) Jose Ignacio Rangel (1875-1945) [Juana Cisneros]. Parents of:
17.) Maria Refugia Rangel (1892-1991) [José Sánchez]. Parents of:
18.) Francisca Sánchez (1957-1967) [Catalino Alba]. Parents of:
19.) Jose Alba Sanchez (1930-2010) [Isabel Martinez ] [ Parents of:
20.) Mark David Alba (b. 1960) [Catherine Louisa Jensen]. Parents of:
21.) Jessica Alba “the actress” (b. 1981) [Cash Warren]

Second line:

5.) Lope Ruiz De Esparza (el menor) (1569- 1651) [Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma]. Parent of:
6.) Salvador Ruiz De Esparza (1598-1680) [Maria Vielma] Parents of
7.) Andres Ruiz De Esparza (1620 - ?) [Catalina De la Fuente]. Parents of:
8.) Tomas Ruiz De Esparza (ca.1660 - ?) [Maria Montañés de Carillo] Parents of:
9.) Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza (ca.1681 -?) [Gertrudis Macias]. Parents of:
10.) Antonio Paulin Esparza (ca.1717 - ?) [Constanza Pedroza]. Parents of
11.) Pedro Segundo Esparza (1738 - ? ) [Maria Dolores Medina]. Parents of:
12.) Jose Francisco Esparza (1769 - ?) [Maria Eufrasia Pedroza]. Parents of:
13.) Ma. Josefa Gpe. Remigia de la Trinidad Pedroza (1792 - ) [José Ignacio Mosqueira] Parents of:
14.) Genoveva Mosquera (1834 -1917) [Urbano Rangel] Parents of:
15.) Jose Ignacio Rangel (1875-1945) [Juana Cisneros]. Parents of:
16.) Maria Refugia Rangel (1892-1991) [José Sánchez]. Parents of:
17.) Francisca Sánchez (1957-1967) [Catalino Alba]. Parents of:
18.) Jose Alba Sanchez (1930-2010) [Isabel Martinez ] [ Parents of:
19.) Mark David Alba (b. 1960) [Catherine Louisa Jensen]. Parents of:
20.) Jessica Alba “the actress” (b. 1981) [Cash Warren]

Third line:

5.) Lope Ruiz De Esparza(el menor) (1569- 1651) [Ana Francisca Gabai Moctezuma]. Parent of:
6.) Jacinto Ruiz De Esparza (1605-1679) [Leonor Lopez de Elizalde] Parents of
7.) Luisa Ruiz De Esparza (1648 - ?) [Pedro Macias Valadez]. Parents of:
8.) Margarita Macias Valadez (1686 - 1741) [Jose Manuel Delgado] Parents of:
9.) Ma. Guadalupe Delgado (1722-1778) [Juan Antonio Pedroza]. Parents of:
10.) Jose Marcos Pedroza(1744 - ?) [Juana Ignacia Vasquez]. Parents of
11.) Maria Eufrasia Pedroza (1774 - ? ) [Jose Francisco Esparza]. Parents of:
12.) Jose Francisco Esparza (1769 - ?) [Maria Eufrasia Pedroza]. Parents of:
13.) Ma. Josefa Gpe. Remigia de la Trinidad Esparza (1792 - ) [José Ignacio Mosqueira] Parents of:
14.) Genoveva Mosquera (1834 -1917) [Urbano Rangel] Parents of:
15.) Jose Ignacio Rangel (1875-1945) [Juana Cisneros]. Parents of:
16.) Maria Refugia Rangel (1892-1991) [José Sánchez]. Parents of:
17.) Francisca Sánchez (1957-1967) [Catalino Alba]. Parents of:
18.) Jose Alba Sanchez (1930-2010) [Isabel Martinez ] [ Parents of:
19.) Mark David Alba (b. 1960) [Catherine Louisa Jensen]. Parents of:
20.) Jessica Alba “the actress” (b. 1981) [Cash Warren]

Rick A. Ricci
Book mygenes2000

Muy interesante la muy grande descendencia de los Ruiz de Esparza y Navarro Gabay. Yo también tengo varias lineas que terminan en mis bisabuelos y bisabuelas de manera múltiple:

7. JACINTO RUIZ ESPARZA NAVARRO – Juana Lopez de Lizardi
8. Nicolas Ruiz de Esparza Lopez de Lizardi / Catalina FLores
9. Teresa Lopez Flores /Lucas Martínez de Sotomayor
10. Maria Martinez de Sotomayor Lopez./ Joseph Romo de Vivar Villalobos
11. Joseph Joaquin Romo de Vivar y Sotomayor / María Josefa del Pedraxo
12. Maria Manuela Cecilia Romo de Vivar Pedraxo / Pedro José Flores de ROmo Vivar
13. Elias Flores Romo / María de los Santos de Luévano
14. MARGARITA FLORES LUEVANO / Francisco Cabral Gonzalez (mis bisabuelos)
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7. MARTIN RUIZ ESPARZA NAVARRO (1600*-1674) / María López de Lizardi
8. Ignacio Ruiz de Esparza y López de Lizardi (1632-1672) / Elena Sotelo Jaen (1636-1673)
9. María Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaen (1670-1710) / Tomas Alejo de Villalpando y Velez /1652-1738)
10. Juan Antonio de Villalpando y Ruiz Espaza (1701-**) / Josefa Flores Pichardo Narvaez (1709-**)
11. Diego de Villalpando Pichardo (1729-**)/ Juana de Dios Luevano Molina (1731-**)
12. Trinidad Esparza Arellanos (1760-**)/ Antonia Rufina Villalpando (1760-**)
13. Victoriana Esparza Villalpando (18**-<**) / Patricio Flores Arellano (**-**)
14. Jose Margarito Flores Esparza (1821-**) /Sixta Cosio Esparza (1832-**)
15. Trinidad Flores Cosío (1847-**)/ Cesario Acosta Mendoza (1841-**)
16. MARGARITA ACOSTA FLORES (1872-1856) / Adolfo Gonzalez Cosio Romo (1859-1893) (mi bisabuelo)
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7. LORENZA RUIZ ESPARZA NAVARRO /Luis Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez
8. María Tiscareño de Molina y Ruiz Esparza /Juan Pedro Romo de Vivar y Rangel Pegueros
9. Andres Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño de Molina / Juana Díaz de Montañez Carrillo
10. Joseph Andres Romo de Vivar y Díaz de Montañez / María de San Juan Martinez de Sotomayor López
11. Ana Gertrudis Romo de Vivar y Martínez de Sotomayor / José Manuel Reyes Castañeda
12. María Manuela y Reyes Romo de Vivar / Joseph Lucas Lopez de Oropeza Flores
13. Margarita Guadalupe Oropeza Reyes / Francisco Romo de vivar y Ruiz Esparza
14. María de los Santos Romo Oropeza / Bartolo González Cosio Fuentes
15. ADOLFO GONZALEZ COSIO ROMO / Margarita Acosta Flores. (mi bisabuela)

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7. MARIA RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y NAVARRO / Nicolás Márquez de los Olivos
8. Francisco de Ulloa y Ruiz / Juana Flores Gomez
9. Antonio de Salcedo Miramontes / Leonor de Ulloa Ruiz y Flores
10. Diego de Avila y González Salcedo / Nicolasa de Salcedo y de Ulloa
11. Francisco de Casas López / Lorenza de Avila Salcedo
12. Pedro de Casas / María Antonia de Miranda y Rosales
13. Bernardino de Casas y Miranda / FRANCISCA CID CALDERA OLAGUE (se vincula con la esposa de Domingo Cabral, Catalina Pinedo Caldera)
14. VICENTE SALDIVAR DE ACEVEDO (vinculo con Hernán Cortés y Moctezuma por otra via) / María Nicolasa de la Rosa Casas
15. Marcelino Saldívar de la Rosa / Juliana Gertrudis de los Reyes Felix
16. MARIA JOSEFA SALDIVAR / Felipe Cabral Hernández (Padres de Pantaleón Cabral, mi tatarabuelo)
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7. SALVADOR RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y NAVARRO / María de Vielma Ruiz y Gabay
8. Andres de Esparza de Vielma / Catalina de la Fuente Gutierrez
9. Miguel Ruiz de Esparza y de la Fuente / Clara Ruiz de Escamilla
10. Marcos Ruiz de Esparza Escamilla / María Efigenia Martel Anguiano
11. Clara Casarina Ruiz de Esparza Martel / Juan Ramirez Hernández
12. María Magdalena Ramirez y Ruiz de Esparza /José Antonio de Arellano
13. Josefa Rafaela Arellano Esparza / Francisco Flores
14. Patricio Flores Arellano / Victoriana Esparza Villalpando
15. José Margarito Flores / Sixta Cosío Esparza
16. Trinidad Flores Cosío / Cesario Acosta Mendoza
17. Margarita Acosta Flores / Adolfo González Cosío (mis bisabuelos)

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7. SALVADOR RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y NAVARRO / María de Vielma Ruiz y Gabay
8. Andres de Esparza de Vielma / Catalina de la Fuente Gutierrez
9. Tomás Ruiz de Esparza Fuente / María Montañez Carrillo
10. Juan Ruiz de Esparza Carrillo / María Valdivia
11. Joaquin Ruiz de Esparza Valdivia / Manuela de Jesus Medina
12. Jose Rufino Romo de Vivar / María Guadalupe Ruiz de Esparza y Medina
13. Francisco Romo de Vivar y Ruiz Esparza / María Margarita Guadalupe Oropeza Reyes
14. María de los Santos Romo Oropeza / Bartolo Gonzalez Cosio Fuentes
15. Adolfo Gonzalez Cosio Romo / Margarita Acosta Flores (mis bisabuelos)

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7. SALVADOR RUIZ DE ESPARZA Y NAVARRO / María de Vielma Ruiz y Gabay
8. Andres de Esparza de Vielma / Catalina de la Fuente Gutierrez
9. Thomas Ruiz de Esparza Fuente / María Montañez
10. Juan Ruiz de Esparza Carrillo / María Baldivia
11. Joaquin Ruiz de Esparza / Manuela de Jesús Medina
12. Jose Rufino Romo de Vivar / María Gpe. Ruiz de Esparza y Medina
13. Juan José de Luévano / Maria de la Merced Romo de Vivar y Ruiz de Esparza
14. Elias Flores Romo / María de los Santos Luévano Romo de Vivar
15. MARGARITA FLORES LUEVANO / Francisco Cabral Gonzalez (mis bisabuelos)

Estas lineas las inicio con un 7. para relacionarlas con Moctezuma:

1. Axayacatl (b. 1469; d. 1492)
2. Moctezuma Xocoyotzin (b. 1480; d. 1520) / Princesa Tzihuacxochitzin Acatlan
3. Princesa Mariana Leonor Moctezuma (b. 1505; d. 1562) / Conquistador Cristóbal de Valderrama (b. 1501; d. 1562)
4. Leonor Valderrama de Moctezuma (b. 1532) / Diego Arias de Sotelo
5. Petronila Arias de Sotelo y Valderrama de Moctezuma (b. 1552) / Martín Navarro de Gabay
6. Ana Francisca Navarro Arias de Sotelo (1577-1652) / Cap. Lope Ruiz de Esparza y Díaz de Eguinoa (1569-1651)

Coach Tom Flores coached the NFL Raiders to two championships as a head coach. He also won a championship as an assistant head coach of the Raiders. As an assistant, he was a valuable strategist that advised the head coach, Madden. He also won a NFL championship as a player with the Kansas City Chiefs. He was the backup quarterback on that chiefs team. He was also a very good quarterback when he played for the Raiders before being traded to Kansas City.

It would be nice to attend his induction to the NFL hall of fame in the summer of 2021.

Rick A. Ricci

I only have Lope Ruiz de Esparza so far but my people didn't stay in the area long. They seem to have wandered into Durango and settled but I have so many dead ends so here's to hoping I find a link to Diego Romo de Vivar either from Durango (mom) or Guanajuato (dad).

Can you explain what "sosa lines" are and where I would find them?

Thanks!

We can now add George P. Bush to the Ruiz De Esparza family tree. George P. Bush is the son of Governor Jeb (John Ellis) Bush and Columba Garnica Gallo, paternal grandparents are George H. W. Bush and Barbara Pierce. George P. Bush’s maternal grandparents are José María Garnica and Josefina Gallo. The Ruiz De Esparza ancestral line is through his Gallo ancestry. I descend from Onofre Perez Gallo, brother of his Gallo ancestor.

Through George P. Bush’s mother’s ancestry, he is a 13th cousin many times removed from George Washington, the first President of the United States of America. His paternal grandfather and uncle who were Presidents of the United State are also related to George Washington through their Bush Ancestry.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

For the past 5 years I have concentrated on my mother's Chavez line of the founding fathers of New Mexico. Now I am back to trying to close loose ends in my father's Romo  de Vivar line. He descends from Salvador Ygnacio Romo de Vivar and wife, Francissca Angela Escalante, Bacanuche, Sonora, Mexico. One historian Mexicano says Salvador's daughter, Maria Rita de los Dolores Romo de Vivar y Escalante, descended from Jose Romo de Vivar, the founder of Bacanuche (and also was son of Diego Romo de Vivar and Maria Rangel). Other Researchers say this Jose Romo de Vivar went to Sinaloa and Sonora and nothing more is mentioned. I am wanting to close the gap between Jose Romo de Vivar and Salvador Ygnacio. Jose had sons Geronimo, Simon, and Jose Gabriel. And Geronimo had a son, Jose Antonio who married Maria Manuela de Anza, daughter of Juan Bautista de Anza and Maria Valenzuela. During Pancho Villa's run along the Mexican-USA Border in the 19 teens his men destroyed the town of Bacanuche, Ygnacio Pesqueira's hacienda, the church and many other structures, along with important papers and history. Gaps in church records that were destroyed may have had a marriage history on my ancestors who descended from Jose Romo de Vivar and Juana de Solis his wife. Any clues or thoughts are welcome. 

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