Thanks. I look into it.
Raquel

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Martínez Muñoz wrote:

>
> Hi Raquel,
> The research I have is from a couple of years ago and recently I have
> started again trying to sort out all my paper work.So I can not remember
> exactly how I got the info, but even a fellow researcher came to the same
> conclusion.That the parents of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano are Juan
> Hernandez de Hijar, Conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramirez de Arellano.
>
> Sofia
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 14:16:58 -0500
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco -"El Cid"
> >
> > Sofia,
> >
> > Toribio Hernandez de Arrellano is my 12ggfa by way of his dtr, Maria
> > Hurtado de Mendoza, and my 14ggfa, by way of his dtr, Anna Sanchez de
> > Mendoza. I have not gotten beyond Toribio and Isabela in my research. I
> > would very much appreciate any assistance you can give me.
> > Raquel Ruiz
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Pat Corbera >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Sofia,
> > >
> > > Thank you so much for your posting.
> > >
> > > My connection to Rodrigo Diaz Bivar/Vivar "ElCid" is from researching
> my
> > > Portuguese ancestry.
> > >
> > > To date "El Cid," is my 27th Great Grandfather...though various
> > > researchers/sources differ as to the actual genealogy of "El Cid." It
> > > continues to be a "work in progress."
> > >
> > > I will check out the family names that you noted in your posting and
> see
> > > if I can link my husband's Hispanic lines to "El Cid."
> > >
> > > Once again thank you,
> > > Pat Silva Corbera
> > > Tracy CA USA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Martínez Muñoz"
> > > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:35:09 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] SF Giants: Los Altos de Jalisco
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Pat,
> > > If you are related to any of these prominant families from the Altos
> you
> > > are related directly to Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar, El Cid:
> > > Toribio Hernández de Arellano (married to Isabel Hurtado de
> > > Mendoza)orMaría Hurtado de Mendoza (married to Rodrigo Cristobal
> > > Olivares)orFrancisca Hurtado y de Olivares (Capitán Francisco
> Gutierrez de
> > > Mendoza Rubio, el Mozo)
> > > Sofia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Sofía and Raquel,

To my knowledge I was the first researcher to
present this hypothesis almost 3 years ago. This idea came to me as I
was studying the "royal genealogies" of the Ramírez de Arellano and
Hurtado de Mendoza family, almost if not all of us in the group are
linked to them in someway or another. The fact that Juan Hernández de
Híjar, conde de Belchite and Isabel Ramírez de Arellano married would
prove a likely connection. It would not be surprising if Toribio
compounded his parents surnames. In older records the H and F are
interchangeable, thus Hernández could easily become Fernández and
vice-versa. To produce Hernández de Arellano. One thing is certain,
Toribio and Isabel belonged to ancient houses of Spain, Arellano and
Mendonza. Based on my research there are only a handful of people that
had the name Hernández de Arellano during the XVI century, probably
descendants of the previous named couple. More researched would have to
be done with documentation. The name appears sometime after 1540 in
Spain, that´s the earliest I have found in the Archivo General de
Simancas, one of the oldest archives. I had presented this hypothesis to several researchers and it sparked their interest, since then we have not continued. I plan to continue this project once I return to the U.S.

Hope this helps,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino