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Does anybody know if the Origin of the Perez-Gallo family line in Los altos de Jalisco comes from Antonio Perez Temblador and Micala (Miicaela?) Gallo?

Josepha Maria Peres Gallo
Mexico, Baptisms
Name: Josepha Maria Peres Gallo
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Jul 1691
Christening Place: SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO, GUADALAJARA, JALISCO, MEXICO
Father's Name: Antonio Peres Temblador
Mother's Name: Micala Gallo
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60314-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 38315

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R A Ricci

R.A.Ricci (not verified)

10 years 4 months ago

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Jaime Holcombe did some work on the Perez temblador family. I did not copy these sheets because I did not see a connection to my family. I suspect that they may be the origin of the Perez Gallo family from Los altos de Jalisco. Does anybody have copies of Jaime Holcombes family sheets on this family? Does anyone know the film and batch numbers to these sheets so I can look them up?

Thanks,
R A Ricci

  Juan Pérez Gallo and Ángela de Orozco were already having children in Teocaltiche and Ayo El Chico in the 1670s:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-56587-84?cc=1874591&wc…
That would likely place Juan Pérez Gallo's birth around the 1650s. His parents would most likely have been born around the 1630s. Therefore, the couple baptizing a child in 1691 would be the unlikely origin of the Pérez Gallo.
Christopher de Cuéllar

Juan Pérez Gallo and Ángela de Orozco were already having children in Teocaltiche and Ayo El Chico in the 1670s:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-56587-84?cc=1874591&wc…
That would likely place Juan Pérez Gallo's birth around the 1650s. His parents would most likely have been born around the 1630s. Therefore, the couple baptizing a child in 1691 would be the unlikely origin of the Pérez Gallo.
Christopher de Cuéllar

iChristopher

10 years 4 months ago

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That particular Juan Pérez Gallo and his wife Doña Ángela de Orozco are my 12th great grandparents. I'm familiar with his children and their children, but I don't have any further information on him or who his parents are. His wife Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco is the natural born daughter of Francisco de Orozco(the son of Gerónimo de Orozco and Ángela de Velasco) and Catalina de Arriola. There's a couple of dispensas that mention the Pérez Gallo in Montejano Hilton's Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara.' But, neither show anything further for the Pérez Gallo line or for Juan Pérez Gallo. You can view the two dispensas that mention Pérez Gallo below. The first one is a Dispensa de cuarto grado de afinidad por cópula lícita and mentions the widow of Francisco de Tejeda Villaseñor, Doña María Pérez Gallo, (daughter of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco). The other mentions Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo, (grandson of Juan Pérez Gallo and Doña Ángela de Orozco y Velasco and the nephew of the Doña María Pérez Gallo) named in the first dispensa.

Christopher de Cuéllar

Teocaltiche. Jal. Enero 2 de 1717. Exp 28 - Dispensa de cuarto grado de
afinidad por cópula lícita.- Francisco de Tejeda Villaseñor. español, vecino de
este pueblo, viudo de Doña María Pérez Gallo; con Doña María Morán de Ledesma.
hija legítima de Antonio Morán de Ledesma y de Doña Antonia Ramírez de Rueda.
españoles y vecinos de esta feligresía. Declaración de Alvaro Carrillo, español
de 62 años de edad: Porque Antonio de Ibarra y Catharina de Ibarra, fueron
hermanos, y Antonio de Ibarra fué bisabuelo de Doña María Morán de Ledesma, que
conoció a María de Ibarra, abuela de la dicha y que conoce a Antonio Morán de
Ledesma, padre de la dicha María Morán de Ledesma, y conoció a Catharina de
Arriola, abuela que fué de María Pérez Gallo, e hija que fué de la dicha
Catharina de Ibarra, y que conoció a Angela de Orozco, hija de Catharina de
Arriola y madre que fué de María Pérez Gallo, mujer que fué de Francisco de
Tejeda. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 4 de enero de
1717. 10 fojas.

Jalostotitlán. Jal. Abril 5 de 1749. Exp. 92 - Dispensa de cuarto grado puro de
afinidad por cópula lícita.- Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo, español de 37 años de
edad, originario de la feligresía de San Pedro Teocaltiche. y vecino de ésta de
Xalostotitlan el tiempo ha de veinte años, viudo de Doña Anna Fernández de
Rueda; con Doña María Luisa González de Hermosillo. española de 26 años de edad.
originaria y vecina de esta feligresía, hija legítima de Don Gerónimo González y
de Doña Matiana de Lomelín. Declaración de Lázaro Gutiérrez de Hermosillo.
español de 59 años de edad: Don Gerónimo González, padre de la pretensa, y Doña
Leonor Gómez, suegra del pretenso, son primos segundos tercer grado Se otorgó
la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en 10 de abril de 1749. 8 fojas.

Hello Christopher,

I descend from Onofre Joseph Perez Gallo (born 1712 Teocaltiche). I was stuck at his parents Jose Perez Gallo and Maria Alvarez de Nava I had copied Jaime Holcombes work on his wife Ana Fernandez de Rueda (Angela) but yesterday I found conflicting information on Ana "Angela" and will review why Jaime Holcombe provides different parents than the document that I found yesterday.

I was stuck on Onofre's parents and had only had his mother as Maria Nava when I discovered yesterday that she was also known as Maria Alvarez de Nava. You state that Onofre is the grandson of Juan Perez Gallo and Angela de. Orosco y Velasco. Then I am assuming that Jose Perez Gallo is the son of Juan Perez Gallo And Angela de Orosco y Velasco. I am confused by your statements on Francisco Orosco and Geronimo Orosco. I descend from Licenciado Francisco Tello de Orosco ( born circa 1556 ciudad de Mexico )and Ana de Carbajal y Ulloa. I have this Francisco as a son of Doctor Geronimo Orosco (Lic. y Gobernador de Nueva Galicia) and Grandson of another Geronimo Orosco. This francisco has a brother named Geronimo Miguel de Orosco married to Isabel del Castillo. Are your Geronimo and Francisco related to these people? If so, can you tell me how they are related? Where does the Velasco come from?

I have Montejano Hilton's Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara so I am surprised to hear that it has information that I have been looking for. I have read it from cover to cover. I must have missed it. I need to go back and read the book again more carefully. It has a tremendous amount of information. I probably missed this info because I read it late at night.

Thank you so much for all your help.

Rick A Ricci

On the IM of his third marriage to Manuela Reynoso, he is listed as the legitimate son of Don Joseph Pérez Gallo and Doña María de la Nava Álvarez Tostado:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18450-18804-27?cc=1874591&wc…

Onofre Joseph Pérez Gallo's father Don Joseph Pérez Gallo was born in March 1685 and baptized in Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco on 18 Mar 1685 and is the legitimate son of Juan Pérez Gallo and Ángela de Orozco y Velasco. Ángela de Orozco y Velasco is the natural born daughter of Francisco de Orozco and Catalina de Arriola. Francisco de Orozco was the son of Gerónimo de Orozco and Ángela de Velasco, that's where the Velasco comes from. This Ángela de Velasco was the daughter of Juan Ramírez de la Campaña and Francisca Temiño de Velasco. Francisca Temiño de Velasco was the daughter of Diego Flores de la Torre and Ángela de Velasco.

According to Jaime Holcombe, Gerónimo de Orozco that was married to Ángela de Velasco, descended from "Alberto de Orozco, primo hermano del señor Presidente Orozco." Dr. Gerónimo de Orozco y Lerma, Gobernador y Capitán General de la Nueva Galicia.

Christopher de Cuellar

Hello Christopher,

You saved me a lot of time and work. I was going to track down Jaime Holcombes family worksheets just to find his information on the Perez Temblador family. Many years ago I spent a lot of time going over his family group sheets. His work is so vast that it would take me. A long time to go throw all of the films. Not only that, but it was the wrong path to take.

A dispensation provides information that Lucas Alvarez Tostado Nava is the brother of Maria Nava (Maria Alvarez Tostado) if this dispensation is correct then that makes Maria Nava the daughter of Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado Nava and Juana Delgadillo (Islas)

I assume that Alberto is the son of Juan Bautista Orosco.

Juan Bautista is the only brother that came over that I know of. I will do more research. I just found another Jaime Holcomb mistake yesterday so it is important to check his work even though he compiled a tremendous amount of accurate data

Thanks again,

Rick A Ricci

Rick, you may already have this record: Joseph Perez Gallo's death records from 1741 listing his brother in law as "Lorenzo" - Maria Nava Alvarez Tostado's brother. Would you share the dispensation you have listing Maria Nava Alvares Tostado's brother as "Lucas" Alvares Tostado? I know Lorenzo and Lucas are brothers according to Family Search files.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19050-27078-94?cc=1874591&wc…

Thank you

Las siguiente dispensas comprueban que Lorenzo, Juan, Francisco, y Antonio fueron hermanos. También comprueban que Ana Ramírez, Isabel Ramírez y Mariana Ramírez fueron hermanas hijas de Joseph Ramírez de Mendoza cc Ana Muñoz de Hermosillo

Felipe Jiménez Álvarez cc María Ana Álvarez Tostado y Romo

Dispensa 168038

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-81257-14

Tronco 1 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas (tiene el nombre correcto de María de Nava)

Tronco 2 - Joseph Ramírez de Mendoza cc Ana Muñoz de Hermosillo

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-81285-42

Juan Ramírez Enríquez cc Isabel Javiera Delgadillo y Álvarez Tostado

Dispensa 168117 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-19812-2

Tronco 1 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas

"parentesco de consanguinidad en tercer grado en dos partes por ser ambos nietos de dos hermanos que lo fueron Francisco y Juan Álvarez Tostado de los cuales Francisco casó con Ana Ramírez y Juan con Isabel Ramírez hermanas..."

Pedro Joseph Álvarez Tostado y Jiménez cc María Gertrudis Enríquez y González de Hermosillo

Dispensa 168382 13 dic 1769

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18429-43354-54

Tronco 1 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas (erróneamente los tienen como Antonio Álvarez Tostado cc Anna Muñoz de Nava) tuvieron a Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc Juana Delgadillo y Juan Álvarez Tostado cc Isabel Ramírez....

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18429-43699-4

Tronco 2 - Diego Delgadillo de Islas cc Petronila de Isla

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18429-43699-4

Joseph Alejandro Álvarez y González de Hermosillo cc Eufrasia Álvarez Tostado y González Rubio

Dispensa https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-81364-16

Tronco 1- Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas (erróneamente los tienen como Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc Isabel Calderón)

Tronco 2- Joseph Ramírez de Mendoza cc Ana Muñoz de Hermosillo

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-81673-30

Juan Manuel Ramírez Enríquez cc Josefa Feliz de Lomelín y Álvarez Tostado

Dispensa https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-11411-17

Tronco 1 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas

Tronco 2 - Diego Delgadillo de Islas cc Petronila de Isla

"me hallo en tercero grado de consanguinidad por ser nietos de dos hermanos que lo son Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado y Francisco Álvarez Tostado causas segunda ser nietos de dos hermanas que lo fueron Isabel de Calderon y Juan Delgadillo tubo por hija a Petronila Alvarez Tostado, Petronila tuvo hija a la pretensa Isabel de Calderon tuvo por hija a Magdalena Enríquez y Magdalena me tuvo a mí."

José Ignacio Álvarez de Lomelín cc María de la Merced Álvarez Tostado y Romo

Dispensa de 4o grado de consanguinidad y de afinidad

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-20800-83

Tronco 1 - Francisco Álvarez Tostado cc Ana María Ramírez de Mendoza Hermosillo

Tronco 2&3 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas (la dispensa erróneamente menciona a María Francisca de Nava Cuevas como Josefa Muñoz)

Tronco 4 - Joseph Ramírez de Mendoza cc Ana Muñoz de Hermosillo

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18415-20834-3

Francisco Javier Álvarez Tostado y Enríquez cc María Antonia de Lomelín y Álvarez Tostado

Dispensa de consanguinidad y afinidad - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-21232-7

Tronco 1 - Diego Delgadillo de Islas cc Petronila de Isla

Tronco 2 - Lorenzo Álvarez Tostado cc María Francisca de Nava Cuevas

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-22068-73

Tronco 3 - Diego Delgadillo de Islas cc Petronila de Isla

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-21457-84

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